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[Shortpoet-GTD]

Another community votes-just say NO to fracking.
https://www.youtube....xh7f3WJlc#t=329

[Shortpoet-GTD]

"Shop til you drop" takes on a new meaning for oil/gas companies using the fracking boon to produce
throwaway plastics. Are these plastics needed? Of course not.

But the fracking boon allows these toxic producing giants to manufacture and buy even more thanks
to all the drilling. And of course, add to our bottom line of exports.
Individually plastic wrapped bananas?
Throwaway plastic communion cups pre-filled with wine and sealed with aluminum caps?
Or idiotic kitchen gadgets like the one that cuts a hot dog into identical sized pieces? (A plain old knife
isn't good enough I suppose)

Because of the fracking boon, American plastics have taken off in a big way; we're now one of the cheapest
places to make plastics.
And they're planning to build more plants. Estimates of $100 billion-with a B. (Of course, we all know
they'll trot out that old stand-by; jobs.
And which we'll reply-"Yay, I got a job. The fact that I can't breathe the air or drink the water doesn't matter
to the oil giants but hey, I'm working."

"Crackers" are huge furnaces that break down ethane molecules into ethylene. Ten new crackers
are slated to be built; with chevron and shell at the top of list for companies that will build them.
(And let's not forget the chemical companies like dow and monsanto; they have their hands in all the dirty pies.)

Texas, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, are of a few of states where these facilities will be built.
(Polyethylene-plastics)
Texas is one of the most polluted states now. Can they get worse than worse? Worstest?
(Previous articles on the pollution in Texas)
6,000 fracking wells in Texas?
http://www.sourcewat...as_and_fracking

http://www.news-jour...634c0843f6.html


https://www.texastri...ked-texas-year/


Biodegradable plastics were on the fast track previously when gas prices were high; now they're
not being considered because of the cheap prices.

Sigh.

Article from One Earth-
http://www.onearth.o...e-fracking-boom

People used to say "Go to hell"-now they say go to Port Arthur, Texas.
http://www.onearth.o...-one-toxic-town

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Investigations are ongoing about illegal dumping of frack waste caught on surveillance camera's.

Too lazy to care about the toxic overload I suppose; dump it and move on. I hope they nail them.
From Inside Climate News-
http://insideclimate...te-caught-video

[Shortpoet-GTD]

After watching "Winds of Change", one of the episodes on Years of Living Dangerously, this thread should also
be addressing methane leaks; a very powerful greenhouse gas.
http://yearsoflivingdangerously.com/

It's much worse than CO-2 and the leak rates (by scientists-not the epa or the industry)
run from 11% up to 17%; so far I should say.
Not every town or city has been measured yet, so it could be higher than 17%.

The heartland institute, alec and of course, the koch brothers are all anti climate change and trying
to pass laws to stop or diminish renewables, but as of the airing of the program, they have been
unsuccessful.
How they live with themselves is still the question but that's another thread.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

"Don't ask, don't tell" used to be about a persons sexual preference in the military but now it could
apply to first responders, doctors and public safety officials if the koch, alec, halliburton, exxon mobile- (among others)
bill is passed in North Carolina regarding the ingredients in frack fluids.
Shhhhh.
If passed, it would be a felony to disclose those ingredients.


http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=green

[Dustoffer]

The North Carolina Repubs are bad.  Here it is the Dems;
Watch a Pennsylvania Woman Disrupt Democratic Gubernatorial Candidates Who Avoided Fracking Discussion

Brandon Baker | May 19, 2014 12:32 pm | Comments

"You would be pretty frustrated if you lived in a state where politicians seemed to ignore concerns about an industry responsible for explosions and drinking water so dirty that it looks more like apple juice, right?
You might even be angry enough to speak out at a big event attended by fellow residents and gubernatorial hopefuls. Of course, you run the risk of getting escorted off the premises if your tone is deemed too confrontational or your voice too loud. Once that happens, you’ll just be written off as some crazy person, regardless how valid your points are.
That’s what happened to Elizabeth Arnold when she attended a recent Pennsylvania Democratic gubernatorial debate. She approached the stage demanding to know why candidates had no plans to discuss fracking, despite its well-documented impact on the health of Pennsylvania residents. She even brought a list of 1,700 families that have been impacted by hydraulic fracturing. She held the list up the whole time she spoke"
http://ecowatch.com/...dates-fracking/
https://www.youtube....h?v=g0BKQAaNk9s
Liz deserves a medal!!

[Shortpoet-GTD]

And we think drilling for natural gas in America is bad?
Ha!
Think again.
This "hell" pit has been burning for 40 years; started from drilling for gas.

Via The Smithsonian-
http://www.smithsoni...ears-180951247/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Pennsylvania (much like Alberta, Canada) is the oldest oil and gas producer. There are between 200,00
to 970,000 abandoned frack wells and they're leaking
METHANE

(Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas with a global warming potential 86 times greater than CO-2.)-
according to the piece.
Wellbore leakage though, is a worldwide issue not unique to Pennsylvania or Canada.
In studies, they found the leak rate to be 3.2 cubic meters a day.
Abandoned wells plugged with cement leaked methane and other gases as well.

Btw-there are 4.3 MILLION wells in North America alone.

Via The Tyee
http://thetyee.ca/Ne...-Spout-Methane/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

First Nations says NO to tar sands.
http://www.popularre...sands-pipeline/

[Dustoffer]

Shortpoet-GTD, on 14 June 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

Pennsylvania (much like Alberta, Canada) is the oldest oil and gas producer. There are between 200,00
to 970,000 abandoned frack wells and they're leaking
METHANE

(Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas with a global warming potential 86 times greater than CO-2.)-
according to the piece.
Wellbore leakage though, is a worldwide issue not unique to Pennsylvania or Canada.
In studies, they found the leak rate to be 3.2 cubic meters a day.
Abandoned wells plugged with cement leaked methane and other gases as well.

Btw-there are 4.3 MILLION wells in North America alone.

Via The Tyee
http://thetyee.ca/Ne...-Spout-Methane/

That is part of the 3% or so of methane emissions that come from human activities, while the major part is coming from warming oceans, and geometrically more from Arctic tundras.  That, of course, is from warming caused by all HGHGs collectively, but mostly CO2.   It is like pouring salt onto a wound with fracking and deforestation.
Fracking should never have been approved, and the businessmen and politicians et al should be tracked down and imprisoned at hard labor building vertical windmills out of scrap metal from dumps.  IMHO!!!

[yoder]

Right there with you, Dustoffer.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Dustoffer, on 15 June 2014 - 09:41 AM, said:

That is part of the 3% or so of methane emissions that come from human activities, while the major part is coming from warming oceans, and geometrically more from Arctic tundras.  

According to Gasland, Gasland II and Years of Living Dangerously; the low end might be 3%. Most frack
wells leak at rates of 9-10%, some going as high as 16-17%.
http://www.altenergy...-climatechange/

[Dustoffer]

That is part of the 3% or so of methane emissions that come from human activities, while the major part is coming from warming oceans, and geometrically more from Arctic tundras.

Shortpoet-GTD, on 15 June 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

According to Gasland, Gasland II and Years of Living Dangerously; the low end might be 3%. Most frack
wells leak at rates of 9-10%, some going as high as 16-17%.
http://www.altenergy...-climatechange/

Wells leaking, along with cows farting are part of human methane emissions.  
The human GHG induced methane from methane hydrate releases(from AGW) are nearing the point of passing the human input of all GHGs.  
Almost all human GHGs would have to stop very quickly, or it will go 'runaway'.
If it hasn't already..............

[Dustoffer]

• Energy
  
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Watch Late Farmer Terry Greenwood Tell Josh Fox About the Fracking Site That Killed His Cattle

Brandon Baker | June 15, 2014 9:00 am | Comments

"When filmmaker Josh Fox visited Pennsylvania farmer Terry Greenwood during what would be his last days on Earth, Greenwood’s only request was for the Gasland director to “tell my story.”
“So what does that mean? Does it mean tell the story of how gas companies barged onto his land,” Fox asked in his a tribute to Greenwood for the Gasland blog. “Does it mean speak about the water contamination they suffered, the insult added to injury when [the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection] ignored his complaints, the death of the cattle, his own death to cancer?”"
http://ecowatch.com/...h-fox-fracking/
Fracking has been wrong on so many levels since it started.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Dustoffer, on 16 June 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

That is part of the 3% or so of methane emissions that come from human activities, while the major part is coming from warming oceans, and geometrically more from Arctic tundras.




Wells leaking, along with cows farting are part of human methane emissions.  
The human GHG induced methane from methane hydrate releases(from AGW) are nearing the point of passing the human input of all GHGs.  
Almost all human GHGs would have to stop very quickly, or it will go 'runaway'.
If it hasn't already..............

Not being disagreeable here but how can "a part of the 3%" methane be upwards of 16-17%?
Please explain.
From all I've read, we are (worldwide, not just in the US), way above a 3% leak rate.

And cow farts are not so much the issue but their belching.
Feeding them raw garlic mixed in with their feed (going back to natural grass would help a great deal too; rather
than corn) would reduce their gastric distress.
http://animals.howst...methane-cow.htm

[Dustoffer]

"Not being disagreeable here but how can "a part of the 3%" methane be upwards of 16-17%?
Please explain.
From all I've read, we are (worldwide, not just in the US), way above a 3% leak rate."

The 3% was not a rate, but an amount of the whole of HGHGs, or last year ~36GT(CO2 or equiv.).  Methane released because of AGW is as of a year ago at 18GT/yr. CO2 equiv.   There is up to 1000GTs of methane in the Arctic and another over 1000 GTs in the oceans, all releasing faster and faster.  A "burp" expected of 50 GT or 50x30=1,500GT CO2 equiv.  That will happen after the tipping point has been crossed.
It was small in 2000, larger in 2005, much larger in 2009 and on the edge of the tipping point, much larger again last year and this year, with 16*F higher temperatures in the Arctic, it will be closer to that point of no return.

[Dustoffer]

New York Assembly Overwhelmingly Passes Fracking Moratorium

Brandon Baker | June 17, 2014 9:25 am | Comments

"New York’s general assembly passed a moratorium on fracking Monday with a sensible question in mind—why rush?

“Oil and gas development utilizing HVHF [High volume horizontal hydraulic fracturing] involves the use and/or production of numerous toxic and hazardous air and water contaminants, a number of them known or suspected carcinogens,” the legislation reads. “Oil and gas development utilizing HVHF has also been associated with a range of adverse environmental impacts, including impacts to water and air quality, land and habitat, and community character.”
Dr. Sheila Bushkin of the Concerned Health Professionals of New York echoed the cautious optimism in the state that the moratorium will continue beyond next May.
“We applaud the New York State Assembly for its leadership in responding to the growing body of science demonstrating that fracking threatens public health and passing a three year moratorium,” Buskin said. “The science is clear that a moratorium on fracking of at least three years is the only responsible course of action, and the New York State Senate and Governor Cuomo should swiftly follow suit.” "
http://ecowatch.com/...atorium-senate/
We need moratoriums on a bunch of things,  fracking, coal mining, oil pumping, gas mining,  jet aircraft, huge diesel boats, slash and burn agriculture, kids.......

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Dustoffer, on 17 June 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

"Not being disagreeable here but how can "a part of the 3%" methane be upwards of 16-17%?
Please explain.
From all I've read, we are (worldwide, not just in the US), way above a 3% leak rate."

The 3% was not a rate, but an amount of the whole of HGHGs, or last year ~36GT(CO2 or equiv.).  Methane released because of AGW is as of a year ago at 18GT/yr. CO2 equiv.   There is up to 1000GTs of methane in the Arctic and another over 1000 GTs in the oceans, all releasing faster and faster.  A "burp" expected of 50 GT or 50x30=1,500GT CO2 equiv.  That will happen after the tipping point has been crossed.
It was small in 2000, larger in 2005, much larger in 2009 and on the edge of the tipping point, much larger again last year and this year, with 16*F higher temperatures in the Arctic, it will be closer to that point of no return.

Thanks for the explanation. So many people saying so many statistics get's confusing.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

This site posts ongoing articles on tar sands and fracking. (Worth the bookmark)

http://insideclimate...-sandsoil-sands

[yoder]

Excellent website.  I don't remember seeing this one before.