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[yoder]

That is very cool.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

"Another one bites the dust" - this one in California.
They're studying using tidal power instead of "natural" gas.
http://thinkprogress...s-power-future/

[yoder]

Hmm, tidal power.  That must be that new fangled greenie kind of stuff that's never been tried before.

From the Wikipedia: Historically, tide mills have been used, both in Europe and on the Atlantic coast of North America. The incoming water was contained in large storage ponds, and as the tide went out, it turned waterwheels that used the mechanical power it produced to mill grain.^[1] The earliest occurrences date from the Middle Ages, or even from Roman times.^[2][3] It was only in the 19th century that the process of using falling water and spinning turbines to create electricity was introduced in the U.S. and Europe.^[4]

[Shortpoet-GTD]

yoder, on 29 March 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Hmm, tidal power.  That must be that new fangled greenie kind of stuff that's never been tried before.

From the Wikipedia: Historically, tide mills have been used, both in Europe and on the Atlantic coast of North America. The incoming water was contained in large storage ponds, and as the tide went out, it turned waterwheels that used the mechanical power it produced to mill grain.^[1] The earliest occurrences date from the Middle Ages, or even from Roman times.^[2][3] It was only in the 19th century that the process of using falling water and spinning turbines to create electricity was introduced in the U.S. and Europe.^[4]

Yeah, we are a bit slow.

[Besoeker]

The Severn estuary has a tidal bore which can be six feet high or more.

https://www.youtube....h?v=IKA39LQOIck

http://www.severnest...p/resource.html

The issue of tidal power in the Severn Estuary seems not to have been far from the headlines for the past three decades.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

My first reaction to reading this piece (as a cynic) was "yeah right"
I'll believe it when I see it.

exxon-transparency?

http://time.com/4975...-fracking-data/

[Dustoffer]

Canada has some very large environmental damage and health damage to many thousands because of the tar sands.
Here in Colorado it is the anti-environmental libertarians and quasi-democrats against home owners and those of us who know the water cost of fracking.  The leaks of methane and crude during floods, the ruin of numerous peoples' water supplies, the increased water rates if allowed, plus loss of property values, are all not looked at in favor of "jobs" (big money, most from out of state).  It is insane to use water like that in an arid zone, especially.
That old song, they got the mine and we get the shaft.

[Dustoffer]

Finally!!

• Energy
  
• Fracking
  
• Water

Congress to EPA: Investigate and Address Water Contamination From Fracking

Food & Water Watch | April 1, 2014 11:12 am | Comments
Tweet
"For the first time, members of Congress today called upon U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Gina McCarthy to “investigate and address the water contamination” in Dimock, PA, in Parker County, TX, and in Pavillion, WY. In all three communities, the EPA has previously withdrawn investigations into water contamination and stopped providing affected residents with clean drinking water. Eight Representatives, led by Rep. Matt Cartwright (PA-17), made the request in a letter to Administrator McCarthy."
http://ecowatch.com/...ation-fracking/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Hopefully, our readers know how bad the koch brothers are and how aggressive they are in their anti-environment
funding.
If not, then know that they are after reading this piece. Example: they are pro keystone pipeline and would
make billions more if it goes through.
Besides being oil/gas giants, they own several companies (listed in piece), including brawny, quilted northern,
stainmaster carpet and angel soft.



Via Grist-
http://grist.org/lis...d-dirty-primer/


http://grist.org/art...he-world-burns/

They  are avid deniers-
http://grist.org/new...-than-you-know/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Railroads and the bush administration- "We don't need no stinking transparency."

Transporting all form of crude, including tar sands oil; routes, frequency-hush hush.

http://www.nytimes.c...ss&emc=rss&_r=0

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Oh that's just dandy.
Now they're going to decimate Alabama for tar sands oil?

Is there no place on Earth they won't destroy to line their pockets?

http://www.foodandwa...sands-frontier/

Side note-
this is always a good site to check on articles, news on fracking and updates.
http://www.foodandwa...water/fracking/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

How close is too close?

If every single American shouted "NIMBY" would the oil/gas giants hear us?

It's something that everyone should be concerned with as they are drilling like there's no tomorrow all
over this country (as well as worldwide).
The closer people live to fracking wells, the worse their health. And who wants anti-freeze in their tap water?

Tag words we need to be mindful of-
Hydrochloric acid
Ethylene glycol (anti-freeze)
Shale gas drilling
Leaks
Damaged pipes
Poor waste-water management
Cancer
Air pollution
Water pollution
Endocrine disrupters
Ground level ozone
Silica sand
Concentrations above EPA and OSHA guidelines
Heavy metals-lead and arsenic
Nervous system damage
Benzene
Methane

Sorry to post such a downer but reality is reality and we must continue to get the word out.
Knowledge is power!!

Fracking is bad for us and the planet.

Article via Mother Jones.
http://www.motherjon...-do-your-health

See also-
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/122-a109/

[Dustoffer]

Here is some good news that will open up thousands more cases;

Texas Family Awarded $3 Million in Nation’s First Fracking Trial

Brandon Baker | April 23, 2014 2:35 pm | Comments

"It took three years, but a Texas family finally emerged victorious in a case that could long impact fracking companies and the impact they have on the communities in which they operate.
A Dallas jury favored the Parr family, which sued Aruba Petroleum back in 2011 after experiencing an array of health issues attorneys argued were the result of dozens of gas wells in the area. The family was awarded nearly $3 million in what attorneys believe was the first-ever fracking trial in U.S. history."
http://ecowatch.com/...fracking-trial/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Hit em' where it hurts; one billfold at a time.

A million dollar lawsuit win for a family against fracking; filed as a nuisance claim.
Beauty.
NPR article

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Another one bites the dust.
Beverly Hills, California bans fracking!

http://grist.org/new...tm_medium=tweet

[Shortpoet-GTD]

When we read that Democrats are on the wrong side; policy wise, environmentally wise, air and water pollution wise;
it breaks my heart.

“I know that there's some environmental concerns," said Senator Mary Landrieu [D-LA] on the Senate
floor last September.
"I think they're unfounded. I think they've been disputed by any number of groups.
What I am just here to say is this is about American jobs.
This is about building our infrastructure in America for more domestic production.
Let's get over this hump and let's get together as we can. "

You're trotting out that old notion of adding jobs Mary? GAFB

Michael Mann (of the book The Hockey Stick and Climate Wars) states it succinctly-

"Politicians who vote "Yes" for the Keystone XL Pipeline will essentially be voting
for the beginning of the end for planet Earth."
http://www.thetakeaw...climate-change/

[yoder]

Dems who are on the wrong side of the environment, economy and social responsibility are actually the true Democratic party now.  They've shown us that the National Democratic party has taken over the old Republican party spot of social and economic conservatism after the Republicans moved to la-la-land.

[Dustoffer]

I think that corrupt politicians from both parties do not help the environment or necessary emissions and population reduction.
The so-called democratic process only works with an educated and non-greedy populace, which we no longer have, thanks to LBJ.  Not all Republicans are in 'lala land', only the Reaganites.  I'm a TR man.
Our dems in CO want "jobs" from fracking, without caring about the huge water loss.  They want their pals in industry to have cheap foreign labor while over 4 times the 'official' count of Americans are out of work.   They also want those big buck oil field jobs, which harm the biosphere so bad.  This was a red state until Californians ruined their own state by allowing the illegals to conquer, then came here and ruined this state, with more illegals and a Dem. governor who is a multiple felon.  Hick, the former La Raza favoring mayor of the sanctuary city Denver.  This state is ridiculously overpopulated, like most others.  600,000 hunters and only 60K animals to take yearly.  All the concrete, stucco, sheetrock, roofing and other construction jobs have gone illegally to illegals and gross over-immigration's too many low buck low brow laborers who take beginner jobs as permanent and screw our high school and college grads out of jobs.  The dems make overpopulation worse while vainly trying to lower emissions adequately and in time.

[yoder]

Shortpoet-GTD, on 07 May 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

Another one bites the dust.
Beverly Hills, California bans fracking!

Now we need to see less affluent cities and towns do the same.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

I think more will, as they learn the facts about the water usage to get the &%^$ out of the ground.
Keeping it in holding ponds also pollutes but in many states where water is becoming as scarce as chicken teeth,
the fracking boon may not look so rosy.

Several cities have already banned outdoor watering because of the drought. Would they approve
of the water use for frack wells?