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Scientists go haywire (imo)


 
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#21 Besoeker

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

View PostShortpoet-GTD, on 09 May 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

Debating an issue is fine, but what many members here are finding, is that you argue over every single post,
and sometimes, every word.
It's dreary.
I posted an opinion. Calling people "the masses" seems to be deprecating.
Disagree with my opinion by all means. I have no problem with that. I don't have a monopoly on being right all the time.
No one does. Discuss/argue your point robustly with a supporting basis. We can go forward with that.

Simply voting it down without any comment simply isn't conducive to constructive discourse.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:08 AM

View PostBesoeker, on 09 May 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

I posted an opinion. Calling people "the masses" seems to be deprecating.
Disagree with my opinion by all means. I have no problem with that. I don't have a monopoly on being right all the time.
No one does. Discuss/argue your point robustly with a supporting basis. We can go forward with that.

Simply voting it down without any comment simply isn't conducive to constructive discourse.
Ok; we'll get off this and back to topic
but by "masses" I simply meant the many people that read this forum.

Not everyone that comes to this site is green or sustainable, but perhaps they're trying to become better
and leave a smaller footprint.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:39 AM

View PostPhil, on 09 May 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Perhaps a better phrase would be "we are all here to educate each other". :wink:  I think that's valid. :smile:
I agree.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:25 AM

View PostShortpoet-GTD, on 10 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Ok; we'll get off this and back to topic
but by "masses" I simply meant the many people that read this forum.

Not everyone that comes to this site is green or sustainable, but perhaps they're trying to become better
and leave a smaller footprint.
I think we're a self selecting group. To that extent  I think most would have at least a passing interest in environmental matters for them to have become members in the first place.

That said, though the members, by and large, have an interest in the environment, they may and do have differing opinions on environmental matters. And, most importantly,  we can learn from each other.

And we, as a race, can benefit from science. Glow in the dark sheep might be quite helpful to farmers/shepherds, particularly at lambing time. I grew up on a farm. We had a lot of sheep. We hired a shepherd for the lambing. That mostly coincided with the school Easter break and I spent a lot of time with him. You get to know the sheep, which are close to term and which might be likely to have problems.

More than once we'd be back out in the night to check on what he expected to be a difficult case. It wasn't always easy to find the animal - a few thousand acres and pitch black. Had the expectant ovines obliged with a fluorescent fleece that would have substantially shortened subsequent searches.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

I think replacing street lights with glow in the dark trees would be wild!  Shades of Avatar! :biggrin:

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:26 AM

A good example of man interfering with nature; creating worse problems than what they started with.
Here.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:42 AM

Add Asian carp, Frankenfish, zebra clams, Everglades python, wild boar, lilly pads, scotch broom, killer bees, etc.  The list goes on and on.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:55 AM

View PostPhil, on 24 June 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

Add Asian carp, Frankenfish, zebra clams, Everglades python, wild boar, lilly pads, scotch broom, killer bees, etc.  The list goes on and on.
Exactly.

#29 yoder

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:16 PM

We have GMO plants contaminating a good swath of the US due to lack of oversight and either malice or debilitating incompetence.  Now, instead of genetically modified plants, let's imagine a modified group of animals or even insects getting loose.  Now let's imagine that the company that allowed them to escape either has not done sufficient testing to ensure the safety of the ecosystem, or they have done the testing, but choose not to tell anyone what the risks are due to the proprietary nature of the information.

That thought leaves me with a warm fuzzy...not.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 02:24 PM

Ever seen the movie "Mimic"?  IT all started with genetically altered cockroaches.  That's definitely a warm fuzzy NOT! :<)

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 04:48 AM

Here we go-again.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

So do you think it's good or bad in this case?  Since it's pseudo restorative I'm inclined to think it's good.  Unlike frankenfish that were never here, they did have giant tortoises before.

There are always unintended consequences to worry about but I can't think of anything major off hand.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:45 AM

View PostPhil, on 01 July 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

So do you think it's good or bad in this case?  Since it's pseudo restorative I'm inclined to think it's good.  Unlike frankenfish that were never here, they did have giant tortoises before.

There are always unintended consequences to worry about but I can't think of anything major off hand.

I wondered the same thing.
Sure, it's science tampering with nature. But possibly to reverse some of the damage that man has done.
It's not without precedent.

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