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[Besoeker]

Shortpoet-GTD, on 25 April 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Not to go off topic, but once you (all of us) trip (or step on) a cat-it will be last time.
After that, they get out of your way cause they don't want the ouch.

Ours, being ornamental, tend to be less compliant..........

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Pro environmental labels on energy efficient light-bulbs turn off conservatives; according to this article.


"New research suggests that fewer will buy such bulbs when they're labeled as being good for the environment, largely because
the issue of carbon emission reductions is so politically polarizing in the United States."
http://news.national...-bulb-labeling/

Related-
http://environment.n...ngs-calculator/

http://environment.n...-lighting-quiz/

http://news.national...stitute-survey/

[E3 wise]

Yet conservatives do seem to pay attention to cost savings.  As part of our work we have been testing efficiencies of light bulbs for years, first CFLs and now LEDs.  The much greater cost savings in electrical use for lighting and in HVAC costs is something conservative business owners get behind easily, they might not like the government mandating but they do seem to like the cost savings.

Some of the LEDs we are now using in our home produce the same amount of light as a 60 watt incandescent bulb using only 5 watts as apposed to the 15 watts for a similar CFL, so from 60 to 15 to 5 watts, but what most people don't realize is the additional savings in air conditioning electric costs.  Considering 5  60 watt incandescent create enough heat to need one ton of air conditioning to offset the savings is much greater.  Why you ask well standard split system A/C uses an inside unit at 220 volts and an outside unit at 220 volts that's a lot of energy just to cool off the space for lighting, adding room sensors that turnoff lights when a room is empty and you begin to see the effectiveness amplified.

Likewise the savings in water used to produce that energy for lighting and A/C makes efficient lighting a total no brainier in my book.  So when I am dealing with conservative business owners these are the factors I highlight, and if they help the planet in the process, well it's an added benefit that means more to us then some others, but it is still happening anyway.  So when dealing with conservative I just have them follow the money and let it do the work for me.

[Mr_Flibble]

I'm using a mixture of cfl and led.
And I dont know what everyone is complaining about LED bulbs costing to much.
My last purchase to replace a bunch of 50W gu10 bulbs cost me £38 for 10, these were the 12 W led ones.

[Besoeker]

Mr_Flibble, on 17 October 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

I'm using a mixture of cfl and led.
And I dont know what everyone is complaining about LED bulbs costing to much.
My last purchase to replace a bunch of 50W gu10 bulbs cost me £38 for 10, these were the 12 W led ones.

Maybe people go for short term cheap rather than longer term total costs?

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Because of the ban on incandescent bulbs, producers are coming up with new options.
Less expensive and they give the light of incandescent's-(supposedly).
http://blogs.smithso...n-the-new-year/

[yoder]

The heat sink argument is a non-issue with me.

I've been slowly replacing all of our CFLs with LEDs for a couple years now and the weight is not even noticeable once the bulb is in and the cost is coming down so quickly that a couple times I've gone back to buy another of the same bulb and paid 1/2 what I did the first time.

I'm using LED's in my woodworking shop and would not go back to incandescent or CFL.  The instant on and the light quality are what I need.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

What I have recently learned because of below zero temperatures a few weeks back, is when I turn on
my outside cfl porch light, it takes 10-15 minutes  to come up to full light. The cold effects it.

On the bright side, my led light strip (really Christmas tree decoration strip but I use it to light up
my front walkway) comes on instantly at full light.
Based on that, I would recommend led's for outside lights in colder climes.

[yoder]

I've also noticed that the cold really affects the CFL's and even incandescent flood lights outside.  If it's 10 to 15 below zero, it can take a while for them to come up completely.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

yoder, on 20 December 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

I've also noticed that the cold really affects the CFL's and even incandescent flood lights outside.  If it's 10 to 15 below zero, it can take a while for them to come up completely.

When it's that cold, it takes me awhile to come up completely too.