every once in awhile:
Your friendly neighborhood policeman needs to be politely reminded that (s)he swore an oath to protect your rights under the constitution of the united states
eg:
“I swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland and support the Constitution and laws thereof; and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of police officer according to the Constitution and laws of this State.”
and under the 14th amendment:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;..."
caveat: they have the guns and clubs and pepper spray, so, "politely" is highly recommended
and, a cell phone recording is always a good idea
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Occupy Wall Street
Started by Shortpoet-GTD, Nov 10 2011 02:43 AM
181 replies to this topic
#22
Posted 17 November 2011 - 05:41 PM
Mayor Bloomberg has now made himself the face of the opposition against the Occupiers. This Thursday's protests all over the country, in Denver, Oakland, Portland, New York and about 300 areas altogether, to mark the two month anniversary of the movement, was sprinked with arrests of hundreds of marchers and protesters. The outcry to halt the unfairness will continue. It's in the air and entering the thought processes, of the people. It will continue to grow, despite the hope by some that they will just go away, and allow the status quo to remain as is. The next step reportedly will be "Who Are the 1%?" they will be named, as those who are profiting from other people's pain.
#23
Posted 18 November 2011 - 04:47 AM
As mentioned by one of the msm talking heads; if the mayors and cops had just let the movement alone,
it may have petered out by now.
But every time an occupier gets beaten or pepper sprayed, it strengthens the "bones in their backs."
When it first started, there weren't that many involved.
But that first pepper spray incident, spread quickly via social media, and hundreds more joined the movement.
Cross the bridge in NY? Cops said no, more 99% er's joined.
Cops raid camps at 3 am? Even more joined.
Co-ordinated effort between 18 cities-mayors? And the movement found out? Even more joined.
The more the "establishment" tries to stop the movement, the harder the resolve becomes.
When it first started, msm didn't report on it at all. It was all over the net but not on tv.
But as time went by, it received more coverage, and John Q. Public witnessed for themselves the
mistreatment by the cops to people that were voicing their constitutional rights.
It's at the point now where mayors and cops are either not allowing the press in or arresting the reporters.
And that's really ticking off the press, main stream or not; so it's getting even more coverage.
The best thing about it all? Everyone-all 100% of us are now aware of the disparity of wealth in this country
that has been quietly going on for the past 40 years.
And when we see the charts and graphs about how much money/power "they" have verses us?
Even more join.
"You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright."
John Lennon
it may have petered out by now.
But every time an occupier gets beaten or pepper sprayed, it strengthens the "bones in their backs."
When it first started, there weren't that many involved.
But that first pepper spray incident, spread quickly via social media, and hundreds more joined the movement.
Cross the bridge in NY? Cops said no, more 99% er's joined.
Cops raid camps at 3 am? Even more joined.
Co-ordinated effort between 18 cities-mayors? And the movement found out? Even more joined.
The more the "establishment" tries to stop the movement, the harder the resolve becomes.
When it first started, msm didn't report on it at all. It was all over the net but not on tv.
But as time went by, it received more coverage, and John Q. Public witnessed for themselves the
mistreatment by the cops to people that were voicing their constitutional rights.
It's at the point now where mayors and cops are either not allowing the press in or arresting the reporters.
And that's really ticking off the press, main stream or not; so it's getting even more coverage.
The best thing about it all? Everyone-all 100% of us are now aware of the disparity of wealth in this country
that has been quietly going on for the past 40 years.
And when we see the charts and graphs about how much money/power "they" have verses us?
Even more join.
"You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright."
John Lennon
#24
Posted 18 November 2011 - 03:29 PM
What's wrong with this picture? And is it any wonder why they're protesting in the streets against bankers/wall street
traders?
"For all of those who say the protesters have it wrong, and don’t really have a cause worth causing public unrest over,
consider this story.
Last week, a federal judge in Mississippi sentenced a mother of two named Anita McLemore to three years in federal prison for lying on a government application in order to obtain food stamps.
Apparently in this country you become ineligible to eat if you have a record of criminal drug offenses.
The total "cost" of her fraud was $4,367. She has paid the money back.
He ultimately gave her three years, saying, "The defendant's criminal record is simply abominable …. She has been the beneficiary of government generosity in state court."
Compare this court decision to the fraud settlements on Wall Street. Like McLemore, fraud defendants like Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Deutsche Bank have "been the beneficiary of government generosity." Goldman got $12.9 billion just through the AIG bailout. Citigroup got $45 billion, plus hundreds of billions in government guarantees.
All of these companies have been repeatedly dragged into court for fraud, and not one individual defendant has ever been forced to give back anything like a significant portion of his ill-gotten gains. The closest we've come is in a fraud case involving Citi, in which a pair of executives, Gary Crittenden and Arthur Tildesley, were fined the token amounts of $100,000 and $80,000, respectively, for lying to shareholders about the extent of Citi’s debt.
Neither man was forced to admit to intentional fraud. Both got to keep their jobs.
Here’s another thing that boggles my mind: You get busted for drugs in this country, and it turns out you can make yourself ineligible to receive food stamps.
But you can be a serial fraud offender like Citigroup, which has repeatedly been dragged into court for the same offenses and has repeatedly ignored court injunctions to abstain from fraud, and this does not make you ineligible to receive $45 billion in bailouts and other forms of federal assistance."
Read more: http://www.rollingst...7#ixzz1e6QXjTOH
traders?
"For all of those who say the protesters have it wrong, and don’t really have a cause worth causing public unrest over,
consider this story.
Last week, a federal judge in Mississippi sentenced a mother of two named Anita McLemore to three years in federal prison for lying on a government application in order to obtain food stamps.
Apparently in this country you become ineligible to eat if you have a record of criminal drug offenses.
The total "cost" of her fraud was $4,367. She has paid the money back.
He ultimately gave her three years, saying, "The defendant's criminal record is simply abominable …. She has been the beneficiary of government generosity in state court."
Compare this court decision to the fraud settlements on Wall Street. Like McLemore, fraud defendants like Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Deutsche Bank have "been the beneficiary of government generosity." Goldman got $12.9 billion just through the AIG bailout. Citigroup got $45 billion, plus hundreds of billions in government guarantees.
All of these companies have been repeatedly dragged into court for fraud, and not one individual defendant has ever been forced to give back anything like a significant portion of his ill-gotten gains. The closest we've come is in a fraud case involving Citi, in which a pair of executives, Gary Crittenden and Arthur Tildesley, were fined the token amounts of $100,000 and $80,000, respectively, for lying to shareholders about the extent of Citi’s debt.
Neither man was forced to admit to intentional fraud. Both got to keep their jobs.
Here’s another thing that boggles my mind: You get busted for drugs in this country, and it turns out you can make yourself ineligible to receive food stamps.
But you can be a serial fraud offender like Citigroup, which has repeatedly been dragged into court for the same offenses and has repeatedly ignored court injunctions to abstain from fraud, and this does not make you ineligible to receive $45 billion in bailouts and other forms of federal assistance."
Read more: http://www.rollingst...7#ixzz1e6QXjTOH
#25
Posted 18 November 2011 - 09:43 PM
There are so many inequities in the court system. Sometimes you wonder where is the justice. Starting with the Supreme Court. Clarence Thomas and Antony Scalia should be called in for questioning on their activities.That decision on corporations being allowed to contribute any amount to candidates should be repealed or whatever they do with insane decisions by the high court.
#27
Posted 19 November 2011 - 05:39 AM
"Here's your blood pressure raiser of the day: Campus police casually pepper spray a group of Occupy Davis students
who are sitting on the ground in protest after refusing to remove their tents from the quad.
It's not Kent State or anything, but it's sure as hell an outrageous overreaction. Don't watch unless you have a fairly strong stomach for casual brutality."
http://motherjones.c...pray-protesters
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/
who are sitting on the ground in protest after refusing to remove their tents from the quad.
It's not Kent State or anything, but it's sure as hell an outrageous overreaction. Don't watch unless you have a fairly strong stomach for casual brutality."
http://motherjones.c...pray-protesters
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/
#29
Posted 21 November 2011 - 07:35 AM
This fron dennis Kucinich:
Occupy
Dear Friends,
An Iraq War veteran who survived two tours of duty gets his skull fractured in ... Oakland!
53 activists arrested in Atlanta. SWAT teams deployed to boot out peaceful protesters.
Recent actions against Occupy protesters are irresponsible and tragic. They're an assault on our democracy. These protesters are bravely exercising their right to freedom of expression, to bring attention to a political and economic system that's rigged against most Americans. I stand with them; and, all Americans -- left and right -- should join me in protecting their freedom to non-violently create change.
This isn't a Democratic or Republican movement. It's not about one party or one policy. It's about standing up to a financial system that's completely backwards. Wall Street banks get billions in bailouts and emerge with massive profits. Most Americans see a program of austerity in a painful economic climate -- benefit cuts, high unemployment, declining wages, and crumbling infrastructure. Congress moved swiftly to "save" banks (something I strongly opposed), and now Congress is paralyzed, unable to create jobs and to save our middle class.
It's no surprise Americans are standing up. Our country's economic policies have consolidated and accelerated wealth to the top. One percent of Americans now control 42% of our wealth. It's not radical to think this is out of balance or to demand a government that is of the people and for the people. I've been to these protests, and I can tell you they're filled with honest, hard working Americans who are concerned with the direction of our country and our economic future.
I am deeply concerned. I'm concerned about an economic system which tethers job creation to China and big banks. We shouldn't have to borrow money from China -- or Japan or South Korea -- to get out of this ditch. We should stop the Fed from giving billions to the big banks. We have to take back the power to manage our own economy, to regain control over our monetary system, consistent with the U.S. Constitution. That's why, one month ago, I introduced the National Emergency Employment Defense (NEED) Act. The legislation would put the Federal Reserve under the Department of the Treasury, and it would help us recapture control of our financial system. As part of the NEED Act, Congress would use its constitutional power to invest in America, creating millions of jobs by putting billions of dollars directly into circulation. And since this money is adding real, tangible value to our national wealth, it will not generate inflation.
We need a financial system that is of the people and for the people. We need to take it back from the big banks. We need economic and social justice. I will continue to support the Occupy movement. I will continue to fight for legislation, including the NEED Act, that sets America on a path of jobs for all, health care for all, education for all, retirement security for all, and peace.
Let's keep this movement alive. Let's keep fighting for economic and social justice. Keep occupying Wall Street. And, with your help, I'll keep occupying Congress.
With respect,
Dennis Kucinich
#32
Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:27 PM
ok
1 more from Congressman Kucinich:
Dear Friends,
At 1:00 AM Tuesday night, after two months of peaceful protest against the people and institutions that wrecked our economy, police officers under direct orders from the Mayor of New York City raided Occupy Wall Street and evicted protestors from Zuccotti Park.
The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees all of us - including these protestors - the right to peacefully assemble and express our views. But over the past week, similar nighttime raids executed by mayors in Oakland, Portland and Atlanta have cast a dangerous shadow over our liberties.
Today, I am asking you to join me in standing with Occupy protests everywhere and demanding that the Mayors of America respect the First Amendment and the rights of our citizens to assemble and express themselves. Click here to sign the petition and demand that the mayors of America respect the Constitution and the rights of Occupy Wall Street to exist.
Right now, corporations are spending unlimited amounts of money to influence our election system under the guise of free speech. Yet when people like you and me gather in parks across America to protest this broken system, we are deemed a threat by local mayors.
Stand with me, Occupy Wall Street and all Americans who wish to defend our disappearing liberties in demanding that America's mayors respect the Constitution and rights guaranteed to all Americans in the First Amendment. Sign the petition today.
With respect,
Dennis
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I have the soul of a libertarian
but i don't see any possible pattern in the evolution of governments that would lead me to believe that any gathered power base will willingly grant freedom----on the contrary
so
what would be the closest approximation of a fair deal?
ergo:
my following of/to/for/etc
Kucinich
I always read what he writes, and read or listen to what he has to say
I caucused for him
Kucinich of the left and Ron Paul of the right have very much in common(especially as/re the department of offense)
kinda
the best of both worlds for me
1 more from Congressman Kucinich:
Nighttime in America
Dear Friends,
At 1:00 AM Tuesday night, after two months of peaceful protest against the people and institutions that wrecked our economy, police officers under direct orders from the Mayor of New York City raided Occupy Wall Street and evicted protestors from Zuccotti Park.
The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees all of us - including these protestors - the right to peacefully assemble and express our views. But over the past week, similar nighttime raids executed by mayors in Oakland, Portland and Atlanta have cast a dangerous shadow over our liberties.
Today, I am asking you to join me in standing with Occupy protests everywhere and demanding that the Mayors of America respect the First Amendment and the rights of our citizens to assemble and express themselves. Click here to sign the petition and demand that the mayors of America respect the Constitution and the rights of Occupy Wall Street to exist.
Right now, corporations are spending unlimited amounts of money to influence our election system under the guise of free speech. Yet when people like you and me gather in parks across America to protest this broken system, we are deemed a threat by local mayors.
Stand with me, Occupy Wall Street and all Americans who wish to defend our disappearing liberties in demanding that America's mayors respect the Constitution and rights guaranteed to all Americans in the First Amendment. Sign the petition today.
With respect,
Dennis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have the soul of a libertarian
but i don't see any possible pattern in the evolution of governments that would lead me to believe that any gathered power base will willingly grant freedom----on the contrary
so
what would be the closest approximation of a fair deal?
ergo:
my following of/to/for/etc
Kucinich
I always read what he writes, and read or listen to what he has to say
I caucused for him
Kucinich of the left and Ron Paul of the right have very much in common(especially as/re the department of offense)
kinda
the best of both worlds for me
#37
Posted 22 November 2011 - 07:35 AM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 19 November 2011 - 05:39 AM, said:
"Here's your blood pressure raiser of the day: Campus police casually pepper spray a group of Occupy Davis students
who are sitting on the ground in protest after refusing to remove their tents from the quad.
It's not Kent State or anything, but it's sure as hell an outrageous overreaction. Don't watch unless you have a fairly strong stomach for casual brutality."
http://motherjones.c...pray-protesters
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/
who are sitting on the ground in protest after refusing to remove their tents from the quad.
It's not Kent State or anything, but it's sure as hell an outrageous overreaction. Don't watch unless you have a fairly strong stomach for casual brutality."
http://motherjones.c...pray-protesters
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/
Makes you wonder how the German troops felt in the early days before Krystalnacht. I was just following orders. And to see this here. Wow.
#38
Posted 22 November 2011 - 09:30 AM
Those two cops are on paid administrative leave.
And the chancellor is "looking" into it. (GMAFB)
http://gawker.com/58...ended-by-ex cop
And the chancellor is "looking" into it. (GMAFB)
http://gawker.com/58...ended-by-ex cop
#39
Posted 22 November 2011 - 10:54 AM
Moving in the right direction.........
"U.S. Representative James McGovern introduced H. J. Res. 88, legislation that begins the process of amending the
Constitution of the United States of America.
If passed and ratified, the amendment would end the legal status of corporations as persons, and stop the current practice
of unlimited independent congressional campaign funding with money that comes from undisclosed sources."
http://thatsmycongre...ate-personhood/
"U.S. Representative James McGovern introduced H. J. Res. 88, legislation that begins the process of amending the
Constitution of the United States of America.
If passed and ratified, the amendment would end the legal status of corporations as persons, and stop the current practice
of unlimited independent congressional campaign funding with money that comes from undisclosed sources."
http://thatsmycongre...ate-personhood/
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